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#1 Major81

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 09:03 PM

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"Director Paul Verhoeven is one of the most provocative, daring, challenging and controversial storytellers creating film entertainment today. Director of four of the most successful Dutch films ever made, he is now one of the most noted, influential filmmakers in Hollywood.

His widely seen work ranges from Basic Instinct to Total Recall. As diverse as his filmography may appear, each of his films reflects uncompromising vision, fascination with life's moral dilemmas and passion for the cinema. He has developed a reputation as a director whose unrestrained work is honest and often brutal with frank depictions of sexuality and violence.

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Paul Verhoeven's work reflects 21st century existence, with mixed messages, blurred lines between dreams and reality, and no neat resolutions. "

~PaulVerhoeven.net

Trivia from above site:
-At the 1996 Golden Raspberry Awards, Paul Verhoeven showed up to collect his Showgirls razzies, the first director ever to do so.
-Paul Verhoeven received a PhD in math and physics from the University of Leiden in the Netherlands.
-Paul is a longtime member of the Jesus Seminar, a group devoted to the scholarly, secular study of Jesus Christ as a historical figure.
-Likes to relax on music from the German hard rock band Rammstein.
-Considers John Landis as his only friend in Hollywood.

Paul's Movie Top 10
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1. La Dolce Vita, Federico Fellini
2. Some Like it Hot, Billy Wilder
3. Lawrence of Arabia, David Lean
4. Doctor Zhivago, David Lean
5. Touch of Evil, Orson Wells
6. Ivan the Terrible, Sergei Eisenstein
7. North by Northwest, Alfred Hitchcock
8. Ben-Hur, William Wyler
9. Metropolis, Fritz Lang
10. Gone with the Wind, Fleming, Selznick

Quotes:
"Do I feel I have a responsibility as a film-maker.... Nope, I just do what the fuck I like..."
"There are three American films I really stand by: ROBOCOP, BASIC INSTINCT and STARSHIP TROOPERS. The rest was considerably worse. Showgirls wasn’t really a good movie. It had a bad story. But I liked the way we filmed it though."
"I think the essence of the movie (Starship Troopers) is really young kids fighting giant bugs."
"..... And for this scene, we had to digitally animate the breast."
(from the commentary track on the Hollow Man DVD)

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 03:08 AM

1. Showgirls



I'm glad somebody else appreciates the peculiar genius of Showgirls. I know you said this was in no particular order, but I can't help wishing that this actually was your number 1 for whatever reason.

*EDIT: Has anybody read what Jacques Rivette said about Showgirls?

http://archive.sense...16/rivette.html

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 04:15 AM

(his opinion is towards the bottom, under Starship Troopers)

I haven't seen Showgirls but anyone who actually likes Starship Troopers should be seen as mentally incapacitated, especially when they say it's better than RoboCop or Total Recall.

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 05:08 PM

I haven't seen Showgirls but anyone who actually likes Starship Troopers should be seen as mentally incapacitated, especially when they say it's better than RoboCop or Total Recall.


Starship Troopers is one of Verhoven's weaker films but it's way better than most of the mindless summer action drivel out there. Why the hate? I would much rather watch Starship Troopers over a Roland Emmerich or Michael Bay film by a mile!

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 05:17 PM

I'm glad somebody else appreciates the peculiar genius of Showgirls. I know you said this was in no particular order, but I can't help wishing that this actually was your number 1 for whatever reason.

*EDIT: Has anybody read what Jacques Rivette said about Showgirls?

http://archive.sense...16/rivette.html

(his opinion is towards the bottom, under Starship Troopers)


Showgirls is an interesting film for a number of reasons. There was a lot of negative press at the time stemming from MGM throwing so much money and publicity into giving an NC-17 film a wide, commercial release. The film was also criticized as being heavily misogynistic. Well, that goes with the territory doesn't it? It doesn't matter if its a comedy from the 30s about musical comedy girls dancing in the follies or vegas showgirls starring in elaborate programs at Vegas casinos, it's going to be misogynist by nature. Frankly, everyone in the film, male or female are pretty vile.

If there's any question or doubt about Showgirl's being considered both a good film and an arthouse classic, one only has to look at the schedules of arthouse theaters and repetory houses where the film is still screening to packed crowds almost 15 years after release. It also has a huge following in the gay and lesbian community. The film didn't find it's audience when it was released but has become more and more successful with the waning of the years, where it now screens at the same theaters that show Kurosawa, Fellini, Ford, etc.

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 08:54 PM

Starship Troopers is one of Verhoven's weaker films but it's way better than most of the mindless summer action drivel out there. Why the hate? I would much rather watch Starship Troopers over a Roland Emmerich or Michael Bay film by a mile!

Over Independence Day or at least the first Bad Boys? No thanks.

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 11:38 PM

Shut up, Mike. Starship Troopers is great, and certainly 10,000x better than fucking Bad Boys. Independence Day is dumb fun, but that's all.

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 11:48 PM

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Good sirs, I must disagree. STARSHIP TROOPERS is much better than the you all are saying. First of all, it is a carefully crafted criticism of fascism/war movies etc. that manages to appeal to fascists, violence buffs etc. It strikes that rare balance of being both ironic in its excess, while still celebrated by those who love excess. (Group showers! Excessive violence! Citizenship as a privilege earned through military service! Boobs!) Every detail is lovingly crafted to both criticize and celebrate both America and modern pop-cinema. (Similar to what HOT FUZZ does with buddy action flicks.) Watch it again, people. Either love it for it's idealism in 'might=right' symbolism and ideology, or laugh at it's scathing indictment of same.
As evidence that this is a carefully crafted piece of art with a message and not just popcorn entertainment I submit the following:

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The federal logo is reminiscent of the Nazi symbol:

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This film was made pre-9/11, etc. when the thought of a major ground war was easily digested by most Americans as "science fiction" and that surely such a war would be obviously black and white (man vs. alien).

Most convincingly:

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I defy anyone to claim that Mr. Van Dien was cast for any other reason than the geometric measurements of his chin. He certainly isn't an actor. He is, however, a square-jawed good ol' boy who is willing to kick some SPACE BUG ASS!

For similar evidence consult Ms. Denise Richards and her bosom. This movie has the potential to appeal to pretty much everybody, unless you care about faithful recreations of the source novel.

As far as Verhoeven and his work, I consider it among the best -tied with Robocop as my favorites (of what I've seen -only his 'American' films.) His weak sauce was BASIC INSTINCT and HOLLOW MAN. TOTAL RECALL is a success in that it is exploiting Arnold's "Schwarzenegger-ieness" to maximum effect and manages to make it help, rather than hinder, the film. I've always considered SHOWGIRLS more of a Joe Eszterhas joint and do concede that if Eszterhas intended it to be anything but camp, he's a fool and Verhoeven a master for crafting the almost John Waters-esque piece that we all know and love.

The acting/set pieces/art direction/EVERYTHING was intended to evoke reactions from other movies. The 50's sci-fi, matinee looks/wooden acting/50's pro-war films/70's and 80's T&A. It is a success, sirs, and a rousing one.

Fun tidbit: the fascist space police on FIREFLY wore the same armor costumes as the soldiers from Starship Troopers. A cost-cutting measure to help ensure a long series run.

In relation to other action films mentioned:

ID4 -Meant to be taken seriously (seriously-ish) I prefer my Aliens blasted to hell with gooey gobs of green blood than seriously felled by a computer virus. To each his own.

Bad Boys -Different type of film. Buddy comedy/action flick vs. space opera/creature feature. No comparison necessary.

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 12:06 AM

Maybe Mike can elaborate on why he disliked Starship Troopers instead of just stating that people who like it are retards? This is kind of like your remarks about The Wire. It's unfair to just pop in a thread and post a comment that's going to ruffle a few feathers without backing it up. Generally, that's called trolling.

Please elaborate and please refrain from doing this yet again. Thanks.

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 12:30 AM

Major - I think the comparison with John Waters is apt for Showgirls. Certainly both films play to similar audiences. I think the major difference is that besides Gina Gershon, most of the actors/actresses in Showgirls go for a more deadpan delivery that I think confuses some people about how to read the film. Of course this film is going to appear to be horrible if you fail to realize that it's an over the top black comedy. I'm actually quite surprised at how many critics took the film seriously.

When I first saw Showgirls, it was years before I'd even hear of All about Eve. I had no idea that it was a "remake" of sorts.

As for Starship Troopers, I like the film but I felt that it wasn't as clever as Robocop, Total Recall, Showgirls. I don't like these kind of big budget action romps in general, Verhoven seems to somehow make these kind of films in a way that I can appreciate. While Hollow Man is his weakest film, I must admit I have only seen it theatrically and have not seen the director's cut that is on DVD. It was trimmed by about 10 minutes by the studio to avoid an NC-17 rating.

Most of these films including the two Mike listed I don't personally like. I find the characters to be one dimensional. The plots tend to be very simplistic and predictable to make room for as much spetacle as possible. Special effects, even today have not improved to the point that these kind of films have remotely clear storytelling. Often with blurry projectiles and shoddy looking explosions in such rapid succession that trying to follow it in any narrative sense is a lost cause. Also, they have no message or point. They all roll-out the brow-beating patriotism schtick in the last 15 minutes so that you leave the theater thinking those two hours of nonsense had a purpose. They are also filled with product placements for soda pops, fashion, electronics, pop musicians, etc. all of which I find insulting.

Will Smith as an actor is also really really annoying.

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 01:21 AM

Will Smith as an actor is also really really annoying.


You could have left that there. :rolleyes:

I like Starship Troopers, but Major 81 all of the things you point out about it aren't exactly subtle. Not all that surprising since it's Verhoeven we're discussing. Still it doesn't detract from the fact that it's a fairly good film, and also one of the first films to make use of CGI for an adult audience.

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 01:24 AM

I'm surprised Black Book is so infrequently brought up in association with Paul Verhoeven. I think it's far and away his best film--I think one critic called it Showgirls meets Schindler's List. It really is the best combination of all his different sensibilities. Has anyone seen it?
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Posted 25 July 2009 - 01:32 AM

Nope but it's been on my "to-see" list for ages.

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 02:17 AM

I'm surprised Black Book is so infrequently brought up in association with Paul Verhoeven. I think it's far and away his best film--I think one critic called it Showgirls meets Schindler's List. It really is the best combination of all his different sensibilities. Has anyone seen it?


That's why I stated I'm only considering his "American" films. I own Black Book, but I haven't watched it yet.

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#15 Major81

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 02:37 AM

I like Starship Troopers, but Major 81 all of the things you point out about it aren't exactly subtle. Not all that surprising since it's Verhoeven we're discussing. Still it doesn't detract from the fact that it's a fairly good film, and also one of the first films to make use of CGI for an adult audience.


It occurs to me that subtlety was perhaps the farthest thing from Verhoeven's mind. This was his follow-up to Showgirls, after all and that film was still being treated quite harshly. I suspect that as Showgirls was so misunderstood, he felt he needed to shift gears into "give 'em what they want until it chokes them" mode and the vehicle, perhaps coincidentally was sci-fi. At this point in his career he was 10 years past Robocop, seven past Recall and his last two films were mainly remembered because of the vaginal photography. I could see him trying to re-catch that action/social commentary lightning in a bottle that was Robocop, cross-pollinated with the 'classic sci-fi' adaptation of Recall. When Troopers bombed, he said OK to Hollow Man, when that bombed he said "F*ck America" and regained some clout by making BLACK BOOK. I have a hard time imagining a subtle film about battling giant space bugs, and I think his piling the artifice/bombast on like gravy over cheese-infused mashed potatoes only helps the film. If Showgirls was mistaken as a serious film (at least as a film with serious characters) wouldn't any director veer wildly in the extreme towards bombast, as if to say: "I dare you to take this seriously." All the while, injecting serious commentary into the crazy film, where if it was missed -and it was by many- it wouldn't be condemned as a failure. After all, in the post Michael Bay world, isn't it pretty clear that there is a market for explosions/boobies/blood regardless of any other factor? If people flock to Transformers 2, won't they also flock to Go-bots? If Lars von Trier directs Go-bots, won't they still love it, even if the explosions/boobies/blood are conceived, shot, and edited according to Dogme 95?

I think Starship Troopers is Verhoeven's attempt to be both artistic and commercial, which others have done but not necessarily with his strengths and weaknesses. For me, he succeeded. The cinema fan appreciates the message and homage to movies past and the 12-year-old in me still gets a bit excited when that one dude gets his head blown off because he took off his helmet.

Ian: I enjoy Recall very much, but I am curious why it sits above Troopers.

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 03:10 AM

The satire in Starship Troopers is fairly blunt, but apparently not blunt enough considering I have to explain these things to just about everyone I meet in the real world, and it always turns from them laughing it off as garbage to becoming one of their favorite films (easy to believe for mainstream zombies). I tried to explain these things to Mike long ago, but he seems to hate it just as intensely as before. Few satires are as biting and smirking as this one, so I don't see how you could compare them to conventional lessers like Bad Boys or ID4 as apples and apples.

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 03:14 PM

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#18 Lohengrin

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 05:13 PM

Apparently, Paul Verhoeven and me share the same birthday. He's the only "well-known" director who does, though I've never seen any of his films. Though sharing a birthday with Screamin' Jay Hawkins and Hunter S. Thompson kind of makes up for the lack of directors.

On a similar note, it's Chris Marker's 88th birthday today. I hope he's doing well.

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