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#21 Moe Dickstein

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:46 PM

Duke, if you're looking at the tech, and if you don't have to have a flat panel to hang on the wall, I'd take a look at the DLP rear projection sets from Mitsubishi, I've got one and I really love it. the 3D has no ghosting because you aren't having issues with panel refresh rates, black levels are perfect, and it's by far the biggest size for your money. The new sets have the tech for 3D built in, I have an older set that I had to buy an adapter box for, and even with the extra setup it was worth it. If you have to get a flat panel, the active glasses sets are more (for each pair of glasses not the tv itself) but give you a better result. If you need lots of glasses then passive tech may work better for you, but the good viewing angles are more limited.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:03 AM

Okay look without trying to stir the murky water, can I just say 3D? Really? How can anyone that loves films be impressed with something so gimicky that ultimately only takes you out of the film, rather than allowing you to sink into it? For something like this and Cave of Forgotten Dreams I can see how it is nothing short of essential. But for a for a normal run of the mill film it simply doesn't work. It's reminiscent of having someone poking you in the back all the way through the film and saying 'it's a film, don't forget you're watching a film'.

I think it works well in anaimation too, but otherwise it's just a good way of covering for the fact that less people are going to the cinema, by charging more for the latest fad. I expect the ordinary cattle to fall for it, but not the people on this board.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:29 PM

I do find most uses of 3D to be quite gimmicky, but in the case of Pina it is interesting because it allows a look of a live performance, which works for dance. I wouldn't want someone to pull a Turner and 3D all the non-3D films, but for those where the 3D was intended from the start I figure it should be honored as part of the director's vision. For me the 3D boom feels like an extension of the CG boom, and I've been less and less interested in the giant spectacle films ever since that started. CG has always had the same effect on me that Lawrence mentioned, it just screams "This is a film, a fake", though oddly I am less bothered by 3D than by CG. By itself I find it an interesting additional element to cinematography, though likely a restrictive and dominating one.

Most of the films that incorporate 3D I wouldn't be seeing anyway, and whether or not CG had something to do with that is up in the air. That many of these films are so focused on the 3D is a real discouragement, and leaves me further jaded from the big blockbusters. Beyond those, I don't see 3D being something that wholly affects me in any significant way unless everyone making movies just goes crazy.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:09 PM

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I agree Duke, and as I said this film looks superb. I'd love to see it at the cinema in 3D. I've even held off of Herzog's cave doc in the hope that one day I'll be somewhere that shows it in 3D. I don't have a problem with CGI though. I quite like it in Science Fiction flicks, I miss the use of models and miniatures though.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:52 PM

As a filmmaker I disagree respectfully. I desperately want to work in 3D, and I consider it as much of a tool for storytelling as sound, color or widescreen. Lately when I look at framing a shot I find myself thinking how much more powerful a particular moment would be in 3D.

It all comes down to how you use it. Are you throwing crap at the audience? Yeah that's a gimmick.

Are you using the depth to show the relationship between two characters? Are you thinking about how a shot will make a viewer feel as it moves through a space, then you're using it to tell the story - as a tool of drama.

When you listen to Wenders talk about how he staged in depth and used it to show the dancers relationship in space to one another, I think he was not only talking about it for this film, but excited about the possibilities of it in other films.

I think there was just as much snobbishness about Color and Sound when they came in. And the same arguments apply - do you need sound to tell a good story or make a good film? No, but used well it can be an effective piece to add to the filmmaker's kit of tools. Same applies to Color.

I think reflexively dismissing the technology because it has been used poorly by some just deprives you of some truly amazing and moving experiences. Put yourself in the hands of those who are excited to have a new way to tell stories and you'll be well served.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:10 AM

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Well Moe (and this is now going a little off topic so maybe it should be moved), you can say what you want as a film maker and I understand and accept that as your opinion. But I couldn't care less what a director thinks since I'm the audience, I'm the one that decides what format I'm going to see a film in, I'm the one that pays to see the film and ultimately I'm the one who decides if the film works or not. So telling me that 3D is going to help with any sort of depth of charcterisation is just rubbish to be honest, unless you can give me specifics of how you think it does. It takes you out of the film, which is the polar opposite of what film makers have tried to do from day one. Total immersion should be the goal. I can see why directors (some of the greats at that) have fallen for it, I really can. But this isn't a tool that is good for a typical drama, animation I can see it same with a few odd projects here and there. Do you really think that Wenders & Herzog will use 3D again for instance? Doubtful, and in that case I'd take their opinions as a film makers over yours.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:39 AM

I could see the same argument being made for 3D aiding immersion as far as conventional drama scenes. As long as the filmmaker makes the same efforts to make the medium dissapear and not draw too much attention to itself, just as the greats are able to do with 2D film, I could see it producing some very convincing and immersive stuff that makes me forget I'm not a lucky fly on the wall. I haven't seen much of that though, and I also don't find it entirely nessessary, but the potential is there IMO. The same could be said for faster-paced scenes. Not the whiz-bang Transformers stuff, but more mild happenings like the shooting of a rifle in something like True Grit. It was very convincing the way that film had a delay between shots being fired over a great distance and hitting their target, and I think something like that could benefit from a sense of depth. Just like any special effect, I think a thing like 3D could either be handled with finesse or dominate the entire direction, and I will be taking a wait-and-see approach until someone like Scorsese, Mann, or the Coens gives it a shot.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 11:58 AM

Scorsese did, in Hugo, to spectacular effect. In fact, the use of 3D in that film is even an extension of the primary themes of the picture.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 01:03 PM

Scorsese did, in Hugo, to spectacular effect. In fact, the use of 3D in that film is even an extension of the primary themes of the picture.


But explain to me how the 3D did anything for the relationship between the characters. I understand fully why he decided to shoot in 3D, it was totally the right choice for a film about the history of film. The 3D was nicely used too, but it did nothing for the emotion of the film. But I look forward to being proven wrong.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 01:38 PM

I don't think it did anything for the emotional impact of the film, other than adding a sense of awe because it was used so daringly. I never made that argument, though, as I pretty much hate almost all of the 3D that I've seen and the format tends to give me a headache.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

I can't help but think the fundamental disconnect on this topic is that you feel that 3-D removes you from connecting with the film and that I feel the opposite, that done properly it draws me into the world of the film in a deeper way than is possible in Flat films. The only animated film I have is Tintin, I am interested in live-action 3D.

Say I wanted to show two lovers in a room after they've just had a fight. Putting one across the room would make that character both smaller and further away, in a visceral way. The "distance" between the lovers is emphasized with this technique. It's hard to do more than just make up random examples without an actual story or script to be dealing with, but a great example in a converted film is Titanic. When Rose has slipped over the back rail and you have the over head shots looking down to the ocean below, when you can FEEL that depth of how far she will fall, the moment becomes far more tense.

I know Herzog has said that Cave was a one off for him, and that he doesn't like 3D otherwise, but listening to Wenders' excitement at what he was able to do in staging the dancers in depth, I would be not at all surprised to see him work in depth again.

I apologize if I get defensive on this topic, but I just get very irritated when people dismiss something with such amazing potential as a gimmick that they hope goes away.


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 07:47 PM

I would very much like to see a straight drama made with the 3D technology to see if you're right, Moe, but as of now I'm skeptical at best. Aside from Hugo, and perhaps one or two other films that I can't think of off the top of my head, everything I've seen with the technology comes off as gimmicky and I absolutely agree it takes you out of the film. Even the glasses that you have to wear are distracting and uncomfortable.

I'm not a fan of James Cameron at all. I didn't like Avatar, and I hate Titanic, so I didn't bother with that one when it was rereleased.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 08:06 PM

I'm not a Cameron fan either, I wasn't into Avatar enough to finish the film when I started it, but Titanic is one of my favorites - more for being a gigantic Titanic buff and seeing it when I was 17 for the first time and deeply in love with Leo lol. I'm looking forward to the Jurassic Park conversion, as Spielberg has said that he really liked 3D when he did Tintin and he wouldn't let this go out unless it was very well done.

What we really need are some small intimate independent dramas to show what I know depth filmmaking is capable of.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:05 PM

I suffer from quadrant anopsia and I have never been able to see 3D properly without tilting my head in an awkward position. So I hope they never get to a 3D only release model or I'm screwed.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:33 AM

I think the BD spec requires a 2D version be included with any 3D Blu disc
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:40 PM

I think the BD spec requires a 2D version be included with any 3D Blu disc


While Pina includes a separate 2D disc, 2D is not an option on the 3D disc. Maybe CC just turned that option off?

I think that new Oz movie is the same. I don't own it, but it sounds like the 3D release does not include 2D at all.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 09:33 AM

3D is dead already isn't it? Just last month the BBC dropped their 3D channel due to lack of interest. It feels like it's been dying since day one to me. A gimmick. Nothing more. After all are all the directors that made 3D films following up those films with more forays into 3D? Is the new Scorsese in 3D? Thought not.


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 02:58 PM

I still have not watched one 3-D movie in the theater.  I think the only one I thought about was Hugo.  Some of the action films I saw that had 3-D versions were hard enough on my head in 2-D.


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 02:58 PM

It certainly feels that way to me, certainly in the home entertainment area at least, though interest in theatrical 3D seems to be shrinking as well.

 

Still, I think it's something that's just going to be around now.  There are going to be filmmakers like James Cameron who will make everything in 3D and convince other filmmakers to do the same.  Scorsese isn't a very good example though, I think.  No, his new film isn't in 3D, but it's not the massive-budget spectacle film that Hugo was, either*.  And it's worth pointing out that the 3D aspect was integrated into Hugo thematically, so I don't think that filmmakers like Scorsese are simply going to put everything out in 3D just because they can.  I'd probably say the same about Herzog and Wenders, both arthouse directors who experimented with the medium for a specific film for specific reasons, and possibly got it out of their systems. 

 

 

*It's also worth noting that the film didn't make a huge profit from the things I've read.  Somewhere in the 15-20 million dollar range, which for a $150-$170 million film isn't all that much.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 10:27 PM

I can't watch 3D due to an eye condition, (quadrant anopsia), but as long as they release both versions of a film, I am OK with it.


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