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#41 sexy rancheros

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Posted 04 December 2009 - 04:23 AM

Yeah, but shouldn't it be icky, though? I'm not saying the film has to be Irreversible or anything, it just seems a little odd how soft the film is in that regard. It is true that the rest of characters find it wrong, but I'm not sure if the film does or not. I sort of got a vibe near the end that the film was trying to make it seem as if it wasn't rape or something. Maybe, I'm just detecting something that really isn't there. I think a more tangible problem I had with the film was the whole "escape" nonsense and how manipulative that was. However, the film will still probably make an appearance on my list if we're doing top 20's instead of 10's just because I haven't been able to get an image and a title card out of my head since I've seen it and that's been several months now.

I'm sure some of you will be happy to know that The Black Dahlia is probably not gonna make an appearance on my list. I do kind of love certain portions of the film, the ending particularly(Scarlett Johansson's facial expression is absolutely perfect), but it is undeniably a mess. It seemed like De Palma didn't give a shit about most of it and the portions that I kind of love are the only portions of the film that he actually gave a shit about. I think that's his major problem as a director outside of the fact that he's pretty goddamn terrible at directing actors(honestly, I feel like the register his actors often work in is practically silent era). It seems like he gets so worked up about set pieces and "big moments" and just kind of competently directs the rest of the movie. For instance, that slow-mo plunge just comes across as so lovingly crafted that the rest of the proceedings ends up being something of a disappointment. There's a rewatch of Femme Fatale and first viewing of Mission to Mars in order so don't worry, De Palma still might make the cut.

I have conflicted feelings regarding to my recent viewing of the theatrical cut of The New World. I think I realized I don't particularly care for Colin Farrell as an actor, which is not good since he's in two of my favorite(perhaps formerly?) films this decade(this and Vice). The notion struck me during Vice, but I feel his shakiness could be justified in the context of the story(Sonny always feels uncomfortable because he is never truly himself). This film, however, I don't know. His shakiness seems like the antithesis of his character. Sure, it makes sense when he's at the colony, but when he's with Pocahontas? It's kind of strange in how I felt sort of indifferent to the John Roalfe romance in the past and now, I think it's the best part of the movie. It actually registers as a deeply felt romance, while John Smith's is akin to an overly romanticized infatuation. I started to come around to the Roalfe half in the extended cut, and I thought it was due to the extra time fleshing it out more, but I don't think that's the case anymore. Also, everything on the soundtrack other than Wagner bothered me. The music didn't seem to fit and was too soundtrack-y. I want to give the extended cut another gander just in case, but Netflix doesn't stock it so it looks like I'll have to buy it if I want to do that.

For your consideration, Golden Door:

Definitely need to rewatch that. It went straight to the top of the queue after watching that trailer despite the fact that I should probably be exploring new territory instead of revisiting this. Sorry, there's no English subs on the trailer, but the American and UK trailers are absolutely horrendous and this one is much closer to the actual spirit of the film.

Also, another list: Glenn Kenny's Seventy Greatest Films Of the Decade and another one from the man again?
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Posted 04 December 2009 - 08:31 AM

Yeah, but shouldn't it be icky, though? I'm not saying the film has to be Irreversible or anything, it just seems a little odd how soft the film is in that regard. It is true that the rest of characters find it wrong, but I'm not sure if the film does or not. I sort of got a vibe near the end that the film was trying to make it seem as if it wasn't rape or something. Maybe, I'm just detecting something that really isn't there. I think a more tangible problem I had with the film was the whole "escape" nonsense and how manipulative that was. However, the film will still probably make an appearance on my list if we're doing top 20's instead of 10's just because I haven't been able to get an image and a title card out of my head since I've seen it and that's been several months now.


sexy, I think how you feel is exactly how you're supposed to feel. The film is messing with you, it's intentionally blurring the line between legitimate passion and criminality, like The Police's Every Breath You Take. And maybe that's the point, there is no 'legitimate' or 'illegitimate' passion- as distasteful as it is, it's all legitimate. Not the nurse's actions, but his feeling is pure.

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Posted 04 December 2009 - 09:00 AM

I'm also for expanding the lists to 20 films if our compiler extraordinaire gives the okay.

Okay then. Here's the new rule:

You can submit anywhere between 10-20 titles in your lists. If you already submitted one, you may resubmit with more titles or if you're happy with 10, just don't do anything. Thanks.

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Posted 04 December 2009 - 04:54 PM

I kind of like the silent scene (with Paz Vega) in Talk to Her for its whimsy. The central idea of a nurse essentially raping a comatose patient is, for me, more icky in theory than how Almodovar portrays it. That he can make something like that moving rather than disgusting is a testament to Almodovar's mastery of mood and feeling. Some of the shock value does persist, even across multiple viewings, but I do see it as something everyone in the film recognizes as wrong so he's not giving anyone a pass.


For me the scene felt too out-of-place and bizarrely too frat-boy humoresque (I've actually heard this type of thoughts before in joking conversation way before this film came out :D). It also didn't fit well with the silent aesthetics that I am used too (this year has been a pretty big year of study for me for silent film). Now if one takes Benigno as crazy then it makes more sense, but it felt more like a digression from the filmmaker himself. An excuse to try some pictorial perverse excursion that just came off, to me, as a bit stupid and juvenile.

I did not comment on the nurse/patient relationship (well mostly because of time) since I thought that was done quite well. An interesting parallel between the two relationships is who survives the coma and the possible reason why (
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Now onto some other subjects. Looking at the Some Came Running link that sexy posted I see lots of films I need to eventually see. I don't agree with all picks (am I missing something with Looney Tunes Back In Action and I've never been that high on Gangs of New York or AI, Up ), but it gives me some interesting ideas for the future (most won't be watched this year).

I've been debating on buying either both parts of Red Cliff or watching the upcoming truncated release.

Something about Sideways has still prevented me from watching it ... :)
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Posted 05 December 2009 - 07:00 AM

Thanks for opening it up to 20. Here's my list, with my runners-up at the bottom. I ranked them as required, but that doesn't really mean much. :)

1. Werckmeister Harmonies (2000) Béla Tarr, Ágnes Hranitzky
2. Tropical Malady (2004) Apichatpong Weerasethakul
3. Vital (2004) Shinya Tsukamoto
4. Snake of June, A (2002) Shinya Tsukamoto
5. Pistol Opera (2001) Seijun Suzuki
6. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004) Michel Gondry
7. Mulholland Dr. (2001) David Lynch
8. American Psycho (2000) Mary Harron
9. Black Sun (2005) Gary Tarn
10. Inland Empire (2006) David Lynch
11. Oldboy (2003) Chan-wook Park
12. Infernal Affairs (2002) Wai Keung Lau, Siu Fai Mak
13. Paprika (2006) Satoshi Kon
14. Memento (2000) Christopher Nolan
15. Science of Sleep, The (2006) Michel Gondry
16. Wrestler, The (2008) Darren Aronofsky
17. Downfall (2004) Oliver Hirschbiegel
18. Battle Royale (2000) Kinji Fukasaku
19. Exiled (2006) Johnnie To
20. No Country for Old Men (2007) Ethan Coen, Joel Coen

Caché (2005) Michael Haneke
Donnie Darko (2001) Richard Kelly
Eastern Promises (2007) David Cronenberg
High Tension (2003) Alexandre Aja
In the Mood for Love (2000) Wong Kar-Wai
Low Life (Haryu insaeng) (2004) Kwon-taek Im
Pianist, The (2002) Roman Polanski
Prestige, The (2006) Christopher Nolan
Punch-Drunk Love (2002) Paul Thomas Anderson
Rabbit-Proof Fence (2002) Phillip Noyce
Secretary (2002) Steven Shainberg
Shaun of the Dead (2004) Edgar Wright
Spirited Away (2001) Hayao Miyazaki, Brent Zacky
Triad Election (2006) Johnnie To

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Posted 05 December 2009 - 03:34 PM

Hey, you ruined the surprise. I didn't know you liked The Wrestler *that* much.

Have you seen Syndromes and a Century yet?

I'm trying to catch up with some avant-garde stuff this decade so...

^Also seizure warning for the above.
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Posted 05 December 2009 - 09:44 PM

I guess I could spoilerize my list, but I really don't understand all the secrecy. I only saw The Wrestler a week ago, but dammit I love this movie. I did consider watching more Weerasethakul before making the list, and I still might watch Mysterious Object at Noon and sneak it in if it makes the cut, but I don't see myself buying Syndromes and a Century before this list business is over.

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Posted 06 December 2009 - 02:22 AM

Oh, I don't really care if the list is just a work in progress like mine and clyde's. I just would like to be sort of surprised by the lists that pop up. I know the provisional list I posted in here is going to look a lot different from my final, submitted one, especially in light of my recent revelation that both Pola X and Beau Travail are legible(both got U.S. theatrical releases in 2000).

I'm debating whether Twentynine Palms or Battle in Heaven should make my list.
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Posted 17 December 2009 - 04:33 PM

Since I last posted I watched a few more specifically for this list:

Downfall (2004: Oliver Hirschbiegel) Germany
Knowing (2009: Alex Proyas) (mainly because of the glowing review from Roger Ebert)
Werckmeister Harmonies (2000: Bela Tarr) Hungary
The Illusionist (2006)

and a few others I will not mention :( I am going to try to surprise or at least make somewhat interesting so I will not put a provisional list down.

I have been looking for The New World Extended but only have found it on blu-ray in Modesto unfortunately. I want to get a few more critically/audience popular films in before the end of the month. I own enough so will have to decide what to watch next.

The Wrestler is in my top 50 but not sure where to put it yet.

Is anyone going to combine films into one suggestion like The Lord of the Rings? I was debating on doing it with Infernal Affairs (only I and II).
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Posted 23 December 2009 - 02:16 AM

I'm not combining anything, but that's probably if I'm gonna put any sequels or movies with sequels, I know which one I prefer.

I'm slightly baffled by Duke's presumed preference of Triad Election over Election. Maybe, I'm in the minority in thinking the latter is a much, much better film.

What do all you To fans think is his best film this decade? Personally, I'm thinking either Election or Exiled.
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Posted 23 December 2009 - 04:36 AM

I'm not combining anything, but that's probably if I'm gonna put any sequels or movies with sequels, I know which one I prefer.

I'm slightly baffled by Duke's presumed preference of Triad Election over Election. Maybe, I'm in the minority in thinking the latter is a much, much better film.

What do all you To fans think is his best film this decade? Personally, I'm thinking either Election or Exiled.

The best To this decade is easily Exiled, followed closely by Triad Election.

I know I seem to be in the minority on this forum about Triad Election, but I also know I'm not alone in thinking it was better than Election, and I must emphasize that I thought it was a very close call. I am baffled by you being baffled, because I honestly could see it go either way from person to person. The added element of Jimmy being forced into this bloody election by his aspirations to go legit is what made it slightly more interesting than the vanilla power struggle of the first. I don't think I'm really qualified to declare one the better film, but I know I identified a lot more with Jimmy than I did with Lok.

We never really get inside Lok's head like we do with Jimmy, where we can almost feel his head splitting from the stress of the situation. The ruthlessness he is pushed into is traumatic, and I loved it. Lok is so stoic and elusive, which is fine for the type of story To was going for. It is hard to say what I would think were Jimmy to play it just as cool as Lok did in the first film. This is clearly a preference of plot device and not one of character, as I find Simon Yam much more magnetic than the sometimes boring Louis Koo, but it is what it is. I've been meaning to watch these two back to back again, especially now, so I will perhaps post an update of my thoughts once I have done that.

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:58 AM

I'm not combining anything, but that's probably if I'm gonna put any sequels or movies with sequels, I know which one I prefer.

I'm slightly baffled by Duke's presumed preference of Triad Election over Election. Maybe, I'm in the minority in thinking the latter is a much, much better film.

What do all you To fans think is his best film this decade? Personally, I'm thinking either Election or Exiled.

I am a much bigger fan of Election then Election 2. I thought Simon Yam's performance was the more riviting and realistic compared to the Godfatheresque turn mixed with something out of Takashi Miike for Louis Koo in Election 2. Plus Election was such a revelation to me and the sequel feels like a sequel. I also didn't like Yam being a bit more stupid in his actions in the second film.

But both are worth watching and, of course, allegories for the pre-handover and post-handover of HK to China. From JT: "Election 1 was only the historical elements and circumstances [I still preferred the first film] Theme of Election 2, everyone must change with time. One of the changes is communication with Mainland. Chinese government is treating the bad guys nicely. HK used to hink they were superior, now Mainland does."

Sexy I would possibly add PTU (2003), Throw Down (2004) or Sparrow (2008) in my top 50 with possibly Throw Down (2004) as best of decade (haven't made my mind yet; I know I occasionally bash Louis Koo but I really liked the characters, the pacing of Throw Down).
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Posted 23 December 2009 - 06:37 PM

I didn't see Sexy post this but here are two more top 10 of the decade from Jim Emerson's Blog:

MSN Movies: Best of the Decade:

1) "No Country for Old Men"
2) "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind"
3) "Zodiac"
4) "Mulholland Dr."
5) "The Lord of the Rings - The Trilogy"
6) "The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada"
7) "Oldboy"
8) "Million Dollar Baby"
9) "There Will Be Blood"
10) "Caché"
11) "Wall-E"
12) "Pan's Labyrinth"

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Jim Emerson's MSN Best of Decade:

1) "No Country for Old Men"
2) "The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada"
3) "Caché"
4) "Zodiac"
5) "A Serious Man"
6) "Mulholland Dr."
7) "Brokeback Mountain"
8) "Pan's Labyrinth"
9) "Birth"
10) "24 Hour Party People"
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#54 Jon Dambacher

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 12:55 AM

My Favorites of This Decade
These are American films that stuck out in regards to cinematic achievement and unique storytelling.

10. The American Astronaut 
9. Napoleon Dynamite
8. The Dark Knight
7. The Assination of Jesse James by The Coward Robert Ford
6. The Road
5. No Country For Old Men
4. Capturing The Friedmans
3. Eternal Sunshine For The Spotless Mind
2. Punch-Drunk Love 
And my favorite American film of the decade...
1. Synecdoche, New York

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 01:30 AM

I'm sorry dude, but Napoleon Dynamite? I won't criticize you for liking it, but I will trash the movie because that is one of the most god-awful 1 1/2 hours I've ever endured. I'm very interested to hear why you liked it so much.

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 02:38 AM

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Oh c'mon Mike, it couldn't be all that mysterious that someone would find that film funny. It just wasn't to your tastes. :P

Jon, would you like to submit your list to the S&S: The 00s Decade thread?

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 08:56 PM

Jon, would you like to submit your list to the S&S: The 00s Decade thread?

Yes.

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 09:15 PM

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Oh c'mon Mike, it couldn't be all that mysterious that someone would find that film funny. It just wasn't to your tastes. :P

I know. That's why I was specific that I wasn't criticizing him and was interested in what he liked about it.

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 06:29 AM

^I think that's pretty weird that Three Burials is up that high on either list. I kind of want to rewatch that one of these days. I was impressed with it at the time, but I'm not sure if I would be today.

I liked 24 Hour Party People quite a bit when I saw it, but once I saw Code 46 and A Mighty Heart, my feelings toward Winterbottom soured.

I'm thinking about including five films from 2008 on my list and I don't know why.
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Posted 30 December 2009 - 02:37 PM

I've never even made a top ten of any year, let alone a decade. I just don't see all the new movies. I'll take a shot and try to be as honest as possible.

If I was making a serious list I would have watched all the movies again recently, but I didn't do that.

1. Enfant, L' (2005)
-This was the movie that I had the most emotional reaction to. Simple.

2. There Will Be Blood (2007)
- My favorite American movie of the last 10 years or so. Though its far from perfect.

3. Inland Empire (2006) / Mulholland Dr. (2001) (either one)
- You just go with these two and let them take you here or there.

4. Y tu mamá también (2001)
- The best movie about growing up I've seen. SPOILER The revelation of Luisa death is like the two boys infantile views of women dieing along with her.

5. Far from Heaven (2002)
-I know that this is sort of a copycat type movie, but being a huge Douglas Sirk fan, I love it.

6. In the Mood for Love (2000)
- The 2nd most restrictive romance movie I've seen (Ophüls', The Reckless Moment being #1). I'm still not convinced that Maggie Cheung character was in love with the Tony Leung Character. Or if she could ever let herself love anyone. Also the performances are my favorite of the 00's

7. Millennium Mambo (2001)
-kind of a weird choice i guess, but I just think this movie is brilliant. I still haven't seen Café Lumière though.

8. Femme Fatale (2002)
- I guess you'd call this a guilty pleasure.

9. Drag Me to Hell (2009)
- Sam Raimi's best movie.

10. Marie Antoinette (2006)
- Another guilty pleasure I guess. I realize that this is not seen as a great movie, I may not even say its a really great one, but I really love it for some reason.

11. Children of Men (2006) / Pan's Labyrinth (2006)
-Those darn Mexicans.

12. Election (2005) / Triad Election (2006)
- I pick these on the sheer enjoyment of the viewing experience.

13. Zodiac (2007)
- I have nothing to say about this movie , its just great to watch.

14. Youth Without Youth (2007)
- I think that this is a giant failure, but I think its the most interesting failure of the 2000's. Its also really pretty looking.

15. Small Time Crooks (2000)
- Its my list and I can put any movie I wish on it.

16. Lord of the Rings Trilogy (01,02,03)

To think of it there are so many movies I just haven't seen (example: Ive not seen any of Lars von Trier's movie of the 2000's, just to name one exciting director). This is just a list I threw together.




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