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#1 masterofoneinchpunch

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 11:46 AM

Discuss about your favorite critics/reviewers, your least favorite ones, problems you have with them etc...

For example Ebert was discussing Armond White in his latest blog.

Does anyone have any good/bad feelings towards him?

Here is an interesting image on what White has liked and disliked (though to be fair you could do this for any critic):
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Posted 14 August 2009 - 12:07 PM

I would not turst this guy at all.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 12:13 PM

Oh my God! That guy has the worst taste in movies I have ever seen, and I once had a friend state The Wedding Crashers as being his favorite movie. He has to be trolling.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 12:21 PM

I would not turst this guy at all.


Oh my God! That guy has the worst taste in movies I have ever seen, and I once had a friend state The Wedding Crashers as being his favorite movie.


What I've read about this guy is that he is mostly a contrarian. The image does not tell the whole story, but I found it fun. He has a good knowledge of film (look at the Ebert blog for further info on that), but he is not consistent with his taste and likes to be disagreeable to both fanboys and critics just for fun. I'm not as familiar with him as other readers and I do not think I will start (already read enough critics/reviewers as it is).

I like this statement from Ebert on it:

He wrote that Spielberg's "A.I.," was "as profoundly philosophical and contemplative as anything by cinema's most thoughtful, speculative artists--Borzage, Ozu, Demy, Tarkovsky." Of course even that quote is a mine field--for other critics, who might not place Borzage and Demy on the same list with Ozu and Tarkovsky--but less offensive to readers, who may have heard of none of them.


I think we all have friends who have bizarre picks for favorite films :). Most of them do not count because they usually do not study film. Heck, I'm sure every single one of us has weird and bizarre picks that we like and dislike but hopefully we do take in consideration other opinions.

Back to that image; it is easy to do that type of list for any critic (or us) who have a long list of reviews. I do not like that they have CJ7 on the right-hand side :). Though I find it telling that he did not like Transformers and liked the second one (though I have still yet to see the second one; I was not a fan of the first).
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Posted 14 August 2009 - 02:49 PM

On the guy's Bad side:
Transformers - It's a movie about giant robots that turn into cars, based on an 80s toy line, directed by Michael Bay. You know what you're getting when you go in, and the movie delivered what it promised.
Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street - A Tim Burton Musical about a serial killer in 19th century London... It was pretty enjoyable, I am a fan of Burton's work.
The Dark Knight - I actually liked the Gothic Tim Burton Batman universe better than Batman Begins/Dark Knight, but it was still a good movie (if a bit over-rated.)
Iron Man - A superrhero action movie, it worked well.
Wall-E - One of my favorite movies of all time!
Tropic Thunder - I haven't seen it yet, but I own it.
Knocked Up - Pretty funny, IMHO.
All Pixar Films - Pixar has created some of the better films of the past ~10 years, some favorites are Toy Story and Toy Story II, Monsters Inc, A Bug's Life, The Incredibles, Ratatouille, Wall-E, and probably Up when I see it.
Hellboy 2: The Golden Army - A decent sequel to the first one.
All Harry Potter films - They are good films, that are fairly decent adaptions to the books.
Star Trek - As a Trekkie, I kind of disliked the big reset button that they pushed... The film itself was enjoyable, though.

I haven't seen any of the other "Bad" films, nor do I plan to for most of them. They may actually be "Good" films, but they aren't to my taste, from what I know of them.

As far as his "Good" list goes, there are a lot more on there that I have seen or plan to, but there are some questionable ones, as well. Of course, the biggest inclusion that is completely WRONG is Norbit! I have my doubts about Dance Flick, espeically if it is from the "Date Movie, Epic Movie, Disaster Movie, etc., guys". I also wonder about the inclusion of the "Chick Flicks." I don't really see any on his list that would be considered "GREAT movies", and including some of those compared to some of the ones on his "Bad" list is mind-boggling.

I wonder how much he gets paid for poster-sized sound bites praising a certain movie... I also wonder if he DIDN'T get paid for some of the bad ones, and chose to crap on them in spite...

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 05:20 PM

Armond White is clearly intelligent and knowledgable. He just wastes his time being a contrarian cunt. It's a shame, really.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 05:38 PM

Armond White is clearly intelligent and knowledgable.

What makes you think that?

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 05:40 PM

Armond White is clearly intelligent and knowledgable. He just wastes his time being a contrarian cunt. It's a shame, really.


Nice, clear and succinct summation there. Well done! I totally agree.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 05:55 PM

What makes you think that?

I think he has a good sense of film history and is able to opine articulately. He just does it for the wrong movies. I have an extremely hard time believing he actually liked Norbit and Death Race. It's obvious that he just loves antagonizing people.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 06:00 PM

I watch some BAD movies and enjoy some of them (including the Cos's Leonard Part 6 and Ghost Dad), and I've liked Eddie Murphy's work like The Nutty Professor and Coming to America, but Norbitt was REALLY BAD!

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 06:59 PM

Well, he recently praised The Hurt Locker and in a later review for another film, he did a complete turn-around and started to refer to it as the "now-overrated Hurt Locker" probably due to that film's staggering 90+ rating on metacritic. I forgot which review he started to refer to it as such, but he ended up using it again in his recent rave(?) of G.I. Joe. You can say what you want about Armond, but he can be pretty damn amusing from time to time, especially in regards to how people respond to his writing.
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Posted 14 August 2009 - 07:45 PM

Sexy, you find White amusing because you yourself go out of your way to be contrary 90% of the time. To everyone else he is just an annoying douche.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 08:44 PM

Maybeeeee. Agree to disagree.
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Posted 18 August 2009 - 03:33 PM

An interesting little blog entry from Jonathan Rosenbaum

For a special section devoted to the 1930s, the Spanish magazine Miradas de Cine, conducting a poll for its 89th issue, asked me to select my 15 favorite films of that decade and also to pick five that I thought were overrated. Here are my choices (listed chronologically):

favoritas:

Laughter (d’Arrast) • City Lights (Chaplin) • M (Lang) • La nuit du carrefour (Renoir) • Ivan (Dovzhenko) • Otona no miru ehon - Umarete wa mita keredo (Ozu) • Love Me Tonight (Mamoulian) • Scarface (Hawks) • Trouble in Paradise (Lubitsch) • Hallelujah, I’m a Bum (Milestone) • L’Atalante (Vigo) • Judge Priest (Ford) • King Kong (Cooper & Schoedsack) • Make Way for Tomorrow (McCarey) • Zangiku monogatari (Mizoguchi)

sobrevaloradas:

The Front Page (Milestone) • 42nd Street (Bacon) • Swing Time (Stevens) • Bringing Up Baby (Hawks) • Ninotchka (Lubitsch) [8/11/09]


I wish he elborated on why he thinks those bottom picks are overrated. Don't quite agree with both Swing Time and Bringing Up Baby (I would prefer both those over Scarface which really has some wooden acting, I've always felt Public Enemy was a strong film).

I'll be watching Judge Priest soon since I've been going through the Ford box set.
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Posted 20 August 2009 - 02:05 AM

Oh boy, there is a fake Armond White twitter.
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Posted 02 September 2009 - 12:48 PM

Looking up information on the Hiroshi Shimizu set I found this statement which I like from Jonathan Rosenbaum that deals with the fact that we shouldn't dismiss new films (and it is a dig at Nick James):

This makes me wonder how a contemporary critic as sophisticated as Nick James can still make claims such as the following (in the Spring 2009 Film Quarterly): “The wonderful golden run of great international cinema in the 1990s that brought us the best of Edward Yang, Wong Kar-wai, Takeshi Kitano, and Abbas Kiarostami, among many others, petered out several years ago.” But if we were already oblivious to so much important stuff being made in the ‘30s, ‘40s, ‘50s, ‘60s, ‘70s, and ‘80s, what gives Nick such confidence that we can be on top of these things today, when the task of following everything that’s going on is arguably even more impossible than it was then? Does he really think that critics are so prescient that they no longer need to worry about missing any of the important films being made—which, thanks to the uniform brilliance and prescience (and, presumably, the absolute reach) of festival programmers and distributors, are readily apparent? And if not, what kind of sense are we supposed to make of his statement?


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Posted 06 October 2009 - 03:27 PM

The three great world cinemas are American, French and Japanese.


This was from his latest Answer Man. I have been pondering this one for a few days. Do you agree with this? Is there any other country that you would consider with these?
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 04:38 PM

From what I understand, Bollywood is the second largest film production area in the world...

I would also think that HK films are pretty high up there.

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 04:52 PM

From what I understand, Bollywood is the second largest film production area in the world...

I would also think that HK films are pretty high up there.


Well the problem with Bollywood is that most of their films are formulaic. They have high output, but I'm not sure of how much diversity their films have. HK's heyday was late 80s and early 90s. Since the handover the market has been slowly dwindling and many filmmakers (like Woo) have gone for the Mainland market. While I love HK movies I do not think they are quite up there with Japanese films.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 06:14 PM

This was from his latest Answer Man. I have been pondering this one for a few days. Do you agree with this? Is there any other country that you would consider with these?


I saw that the other day also. and I agree. Germany had a leg up early in the century but got setback a little by WWII...




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