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#41 littlefuzzy

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 07:02 PM

Fortunately, Bruce Lee is an easy fill... Of course, I haven't watched them yet myself, but you can basically get 90% of his post-childhood oeuvre in a $14.95 box set from Wal-Mart. That, plus Enter the Dragon just about wraps it up. Of course, there's also the Green Hornet TV series.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 10:49 AM

Fortunately, Bruce Lee is an easy fill... Of course, I haven't watched them yet myself, but you can basically get 90% of his post-childhood oeuvre in a $14.95 box set from Wal-Mart. That, plus Enter the Dragon just about wraps it up. Of course, there's also the Green Hornet TV series.


The only thing to really add is that there are several documentaries that are worth getting (a few of them on the two-disc Enter the Dragon; there are a crazy amount of releases of that movie though). For example: Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey from John Little which contains a good amount of new footage of Game of Death (with this documentary after you watch Game of Death and well you will trust Raymond Wong even less). However, if you get the two-disc Enter The Dragon it comes with it. There is also a separate release which has Little's commentary. I have this, but have not listening to his commentary yet (though I have heard the commentary on Enter the Dragon). Then there is Bruce Lee: The Legend which is part of the Bruce Lee - The Master Collection Set (an OK doc, but more fan fare than anything else and getting harder to get).

I have a few additional documentaries like How Bruce Lee Changed the World that I'll comment on in the future.

Then there is the Bruce Lee kid releases (this all reminds me that I need to go over again the Bruce Lee movies; I've seen each one several times, but it has been years since I have seen them, not counting three of his kid movies which I own).
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Posted 24 March 2011 - 02:01 PM

My Final Ranked Top 30:
1. Heroes of the East (1979) Chia-Liang Liu
2. The Killer (1989) John Woo
3. Triad Election (2006) Johnnie To
4. Fist of Legend (1994) Woo-ping Yuen
5. City on Fire (1987) Ringo Lam
6. In the Mood for Love (2000) Wong Kar Wai
7. Hard Boiled (1992) John Woo
8. Infernal Affairs (2002) Wai-keung Lau/Alan Mak
9. Chungking Express (1994) Wong Kar Wai
10. Come Drink with Me (1966) King Hu
11. Fist of the White Lotus (1980) Lieh Lo
12. Exiled (2006) Johnnie To
13. Shaolin Temple (1976) Chang Cheh
14. The Bells Of Death (1968) Feng Yue
15. Iron Monkey (1993) Woo-ping Yuen
16. Once Upon a Time in China Part 2 (1992) Tsui Hark
17. Royal Tramp (1992) Siu-Tung Ching/Jing Wong
18. Jackie Chan's Police Story (1985) Jackie Chan
19. Legendary Weapons Of China (1982) Chia-Liang Liu
20. Shaolin Intruders (1983) Chia Tang
21. Martial Club (1981) Chia-Liang Liu
22. The 36th Chamber of Shaolin (1978) Chia-Liang Liu
23. Mr. Canton and Lady Rose (1989) Jackie Chan
24. Disciples of Shaolin (1975) Chang Cheh
25. The Magic Blade (1976) Yuen Chor
26. The Duel (1971) Chang Cheh
27. Kung Fu Hustle (2004) Stephen Chow
28. Election (2005) Johnnie To
29. Infernal Affairs 2 (2003) Wai-keung Lau/Alan Mak
30. Butterfly Sword (1993) Michael Mak

This is pretty accurate, and it will be pretty hard to sway me on these, unless there are one or two that had mainland or Taiwan involvement that I'm not aware of.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 03:16 PM

...My space bar is now around 10% functionality. I want to tie my keyboard to a tree and launch myself into it head-first while screaming in rage, thereby crushing my skull and killing me instantly. Whoever can name that reference can have all my stuff. :mellow:


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Fist of the White Lotus is the only film I have not seen, unfortunately there is no official R1 release of it.

I will think about your list and hopefully have some remarks later on.
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Posted 24 March 2011 - 03:26 PM

I was going to say never mind on my glorious suicide, but while typing it I got all enraged again. Who knows what will happen next, but Master got it right just in case. I might pick up a nice new keyboard this weekend.

Fist of the White Lotus is just so great, see it asap. :D

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 12:42 PM

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Police Story 2 and 3, as well as Crippled Avengers are all closely hovering somewhere below my Top 30, which I should honestly just convert into a Top 40-50. Those others I will keep an eye out for.

Chan's bloopers credit sequences were such a brilliant idea. It feels strange when Tony Ja does it, I guess because he just lacks Jackie's screen presence or humor? Even when furiously rubbing his head in pain, Jackie manages to maintain that charming expression. This knocked out sequence is one of the more humorous I've seen. :D

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 04:38 PM

I've been wanting to do this for awhile. I might abstract elsewhere, but I've been putting generic Hong Kong items here. Not sure how valuable it is, but it will make it easier for me to look up some reviews and data. Feel free to tell me if I miss anything. He uses a four-star system.

Roger Ebert's Reviews of Hong Kong Including Co-production Movies

2046 **½
Ashes of Time Redux **
A Simple Life ****
Chungking Express ***
Cleopatra Jones and the Casino of Gold (US/Hong Kong) **
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (Taiwan/Hong Kong/China) ****
Detective Dee and the Mystery of the Phantom Flame (Hong Kong/China) ***½
Eros (segment The Hand) ****
Exiled **½
The Eye (Hong Kong/Thailand) **½
Fallen Angels ***
Farewell my Concubine (China/Hong Kong) ****
Hero ***½
House of Flying Daggers (China/Hong Kong)****
Infernal Affairs ***
Infra-Man ***
In The Mood For Love ***
Ip Man 2 ***
Iron Monkey ***
Jackie Chan's First Strike ***
Kung Fu Hustle ***
The Legend of the Drunken Master (aka Drunken Master II) ***½
Lust, Caution (Taiwan/Hong Kong/US) ***
Mighty Peking Man ***
Mr. Nice Guy ***
Operation Condor (aka Armour of God II) ***
Red Trousers: The Life of the Hong Kong Stuntmen **
Return of the Dragon **
Rumble in the Bronx ***
Sex and Zen ***
Shaolin Soccer ***
Temptress Moon **
Three... Extremes (Hong Kong/Korea/Japan) ***½
Time and Tide ***
Vengeance ***½

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 10:34 PM

Those star ratings tell me that either Ebert is unreliable or that *gulp* he doesn't understand foreign movies, at least more modern ones. I'll err on the side of caution and opt for the former opinion for now. Ebert's just not my guy, I guess. (But how in the world could you give "The Hand" four stars and In the Mood for Love three and 2046 two and a half? Dunderhead)

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 10:23 AM

I've long felt that he doesn't get the more daring work being done by foreign artists. I also get the sense that he doesn't delve too deeply. His positive review of Three...Extremes seems to be the only Miike he's reviewed, for example.

Regardless, I do like him and find him immensely readable. I just don't take his rating or recommendations too seriously most of the time. He's very good at gushing about work he loves, which I do find sort of infectious.

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 10:46 AM

Those star ratings tell me that either Ebert is unreliable or that *gulp* he doesn't understand foreign movies, at least more modern ones. I'll err on the side of caution and opt for the former opinion for now. Ebert's just not my guy, I guess. (But how in the world could you give "The Hand" four stars and In the Mood for Love three and 2046 two and a half? Dunderhead)


For the amount of years he has been doing reviews he certainly has a low output of Hong Kong films. He has done many more reviews of Mainland films even though their output has been much smaller. Part of the reason is that the older films were more geared towards arthouse (Hong Kong does have other directors besides Wong Kar-wai in this area like Ann Hui and Stanley Kwan for example but he has not had reviews on their work) and reviewers/critics have had easier access (and perhaps eschewed HK for stereotypical reasons of output). Notice that above I had to stretch the reviews out to include coproductions.

Now I would say he doesn't have a good understanding of Hong Kong films. Now with Mainland releases he certainly has more of an appreciation, but nothing much different than many other critics/reviewers writing on those same films at the same time he was.

I enjoy Ebert's writing, especially when he loves/hates a film (his more indifferent reviews tend to be the worst). I agree with Izo that many times he does not delve too deeply though that is the nature of the review (as opposed to critical essay), but he generally delves a little bit. His reviews are more starting points for me. But if you wanted to learn more about HK film well ask me.

Now he has later written that he gave In the Mood for Love too low of a rating (I currently do not have the source, but I'll look for it).

NOTE: I added Farewell my Concubine above. Another technical note: both the Cannonball Run films (and one TMNT movie) are technically coproductions as well that Ebert has reviewed, but they didn't quite fit in what I was looking for.
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Posted 07 May 2011 - 11:35 PM

Top ten in no particular order:

- (New) Dragon Inn - Bridgette Lin, Donnie Yen, Maggie Cheung
- Come Drink With Me
- The Black Tavern
- Return of the Dragon - Bruce Lee
- Chungking Express
- Have Sword Will Travel
- All Men Are Brothers
- The Water Margin
- In The Mood For Love
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Posted 11 May 2011 - 05:41 PM

Top ten in no particular order:

- (New) Dragon Inn - Bridgette Lin, Donnie Yen, Maggie Cheung
- Come Drink With Me
- The Black Tavern
- Return of the Dragon - Bruce Lee
- Chungking Express
- Have Sword Will Travel
- All Men Are Brothers
- The Water Margin
- In The Mood For Love
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pigmode you seem to be missing one. The Black Tavern is the only one I have not seen out of that bunch (no R1 or R0 available), but I've remember you talking about that one since the first forum. The reviews on it from HKMDB seem to also rate it high as well. The Water Margin is really the only one I'm not to sure on. I enjoyed it, but being from a literary source and only a few chapters of it it is a little confusing. I prefer the next film All Men Are Brothers which you have listed there.

I also would avoid eating at the (New) Dragon Inn. Hmmm pork buns.
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Posted 21 May 2011 - 05:37 PM

Masterofoneinchpunch, what do you think of this blog linking martial arts films to early breakdancing?
http://hiphopchess.b...-movies-on.html

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Would this be better in the Dragon Dynasty/Shaw Bros. thread? I never know which I should use for general HK/Martial Arts stuff that doesn't require a whole new thread...

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Posted 23 May 2011 - 05:16 PM

Masterofoneinchpunch, what do you think of this blog linking martial arts films to early breakdancing?
http://hiphopchess.b...-movies-on.html
...


(small edit) The idea is most likely partially correct, they could have been researched a bit better and I would have loved to have read a more structured article. I was thinking that much of breakdancing had already been inspired by existing urban dance and some of the moves were inspired by kung-fu (not karate).

"There was a big parallel between Hong Kong and NYC. Hong Kong and New York were both densely populated with a large divide between the rich and the poor. Both cities had high crime rates and tough ghettos."

Actually HK has had a surprisingly small crime rate compared to population (much lower than New York in the 1970s). Have fun with this link :D Crime trends in HK. All populated areas are going to have a divide between the rich and the poor and will have tough ghettos.

"Golden Harvest became the second major studio in Hong Kong."

-- they should have added (at that time) since this completely ignores Cathay (previous name MP & GI) who was a rival to the Shaw Brothers for a few decades.

"After the death of Bruce Lee in 1973, Hong Kong produced kung-fu films that tended to be formulaic until Lau Kar-leung began directing in 1975."

Um, OK. How? Completely ignores the output of Chang Cheh and Alexander Fu Sheng was becoming a much bigger star in Asia.

"Ken Swift explains, “42nd St. was like ‘wow,’ these are subtitled, they’re putting these English voices over,..."

I think he means dubbed not subtitled.

"Kung-fu films are enjoying a renaissance on the big screen in America. The Chinese-language film CROUCHING TIGER, HIDDEN DRAGON..."

While the term Kung-fu is technically correct, this is more known as a wuxia film. Not sure how this film would influence dancing though (really feels slipped into the article like many of the mentions of Japanese martial arts which also really do not have a "dancing" aesthetic to them).
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Posted 24 May 2011 - 01:11 PM

Not sure if there is a connection, but it is surprising that there is no mention of Capoeira in this article. I figure a lot of the parallels mentioned, like the one between NY and HK ghettos, are fairly irrelevant. The interest in this style of dancing as well as the kung-fu wave would be predominantly male youths, and you just have to figure if there is a connection to cinema it is probably little more than incorporating pop culture into dance. These two arts are likely strikingly similar in terms of the acrobatics, athleticism, and training required. Interesting though.

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 10:58 AM

Here is a post I did on kungfucinema in dealing with top HK box office of the 1980s and what studios were pumping out hits during that time. The reason was to show that Cinema City was not doing all the hits during that time, but it was a combination of studios mostly Golden Harvest and Cinema City (GW is Golden Way and that technically is under Golden Harvest)

This got me thinking to check on the HK box office (using HKFA stats and using HK dollars) for the 1980s. I capped this off at 20M and above (added a couple of extra for fun). Forgive me for any mistakes, also the producers/distributers mentioned on the right will not be exact. I most likely am missing a few hits in the 20M range. If there any sites that have box office order of the 80s please mention.

While CC (Cinema City) did very well they certainly did not have all the biggest hits. A couple of surprises for me when reviewing this. I already knew that The Eighth Happiness did very well (yes I've seen it), but some of the hits in the 20M certainly surprised me.

37,090,776 The Eighth Happiness (1988) CC
37,058,686 God of Gamblers (1989) Win
35,469,408 Armour of God (1987) GH/Paragon
34,651,324 A Better Tomorrow (1986) CC
34,151,609 Police Story II (1988) GW
34,036,029 Mr. Canton and Lady Rose (1989) GH/GW
33,578,920 Dragon's Forever (1988) GH/Paragon
31,622,805 Prison on Fire (1987) CC (no BO listed on HKFA)
31,459,916 Project A II (1987) GW
31,246,945 Mr. Coconut (1989) Hui
30,913,083 All About Ah-Long (1989) CC
30,748,643 My Lucky Stars (1985) GH/Paragon
29,378,769 Chicken & Duck Talk (1988) Hui (no BO listed on HKFA)
29,286,077 Aces Go Places III (1984) CC
28,911,851 Twinkle, Twinkle Lucky Stars (1985) GH/Paragon
28,122,275 Millionaire's Express (1986) BoHo/Paragon
27,865,158 Tiger on Beat (1988) CC
27,141,624 It's A Mad, Mad, Mad World (1987) D&B
27,012,748 Aces Go Places IV (1986) CC
26,626,760 Police Story (1985) GH
26,043,773 Aces Go Places (1982) CC
25,814,268 It's A Mad, Mad, Mad World II (1988) D&B
25,782,012 Merry Christmas (1984) CC
25,546,552 An Autumn's Tale (1987) D&B
24,676,380 Heart to Hearts (1988) D&B
23,566,173 The Greatest Lover (1988) GH
23,273,140 Aces Go Places II (1983) CC
23,109,809 Lucky Stars Go Places (1986) GH
22,727,369 A Better Tomorrow II (1987) CC
22,485,500 Inspector Chocolate (1986) GH/Hui
22,358,928 Happy Bigamist (1987) Bo Ho/Paragon
22,129,187 A Family Affair (1984) CC
22,098,617 Spiritual Love (1987) GH
21,972,419 Winners and Sinners (1983) GH/Paragon
21,720,626 The Romancing Star (1987) Win
21,606,063 Eastern Condors (1987) BoHo/Paragon
21,465,013 Wheels on Meals (1984) GH
21,313,636 The Owl Vs. Bumbo (1984) D&B
21,014,608 Rich & Famous (1987) Win
20,335,429 Heart of Dragon (1985) GH
20,170,382 Pom Pom (1984) Bo Ho
20,092,129 Mr. Vampire (1985) Bo Ho
20,032,206 Aces Go Places V (1989) CC
19,723,505 City On Fire (1987) CC
19,516,674 Teppanyaki (1984) GH
19,460,536 Mr Vampire III (1987) Bo Ho/Paragon (no BO listed on HKFA)
19,323,824 Project A (1982) GH

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 04:42 PM

My thoughts on Duke's list:

Duke's Final Ranked Top 30:
1. Heroes of the East (1979) Chia-Liang Liu
I could never fault this for being on a top list. Great film that works even on multiple viewings. Heck even my parents liked it.
2. The Killer (1989) John Woo
Awesome film that I've seen several times. One of Woo's best so I like seeing it here as well.
3. Triad Election (2006) Johnnie To
I like at least 10 other Johnnie To films more than this one. So this would be my first disagreement here :).
4. Fist of Legend (1994) Woo-ping Yuen
Pretty damn awesome. Jet Li is great in this.
5. City on Fire (1987) Ringo Lam
I really need to do a review on this to see if this passes Full Contact as my favorite Lam directed film.
6. In the Mood for Love (2000) Wong Kar Wai
Beautiful movie though I tend to prefer two other of Wong's films to this one.
7. Hard Boiled (1992) John Woo
I waver between this and The Killer as my favorite Woo.
8. Infernal Affairs (2002) Wai-keung Lau/Alan Mak
Love both this and the sequel.
9. Chungking Express (1994) Wong Kar Wai
One of my favorites.
10. Come Drink with Me (1966) King Hu
When I do a review on this I wonder if it will be as high on my list. Nice solid film from Hu, but not as beautiful as his later Taiwan films like A Touch of Zen which Criterion really needs to put out.
11. Fist of the White Lotus (1980) Lieh Lo
Need to see.
12. Exiled (2006) Johnnie To
Excellent.
13. Shaolin Temple (1976) Chang Cheh
Need to see.
14. The Bells Of Death (1968) Feng Yue
I liked it, but I have a hard time feeling this is even top 100 HK material.
15. Iron Monkey (1993) Woo-ping Yuen
Seen so many times that I'm biased for this one. Overdoes the undercranking but still love it.
16. Once Upon a Time in China Part 2 (1992) Tsui Hark
I usually put the first one over this one (which I have seen many, many times), but this is an excellent film. It really does need a better R1 release. This film has a chance of being on my list when I rewatch it.
17. Royal Tramp (1992) Siu-Tung Ching/Jing Wong
Placed higher than Police Story. Oh my. Don't agree with this one at all. Not my least favorite Chow film, but not in my top 5 of Chow either.
18. Jackie Chan's Police Story (1985) Jackie Chan
Legendary film. My feelings on this are in my review.
19. Legendary Weapons Of China (1982) Chia-Liang Liu
An extremely underrated Shaw film.
20. Shaolin Intruders (1983) Chia Tang
An even more extremely underrated Shaw film.
21. Martial Club (1981) Chia-Liang Liu
Solid Wong Fei-hung film, just not as good as Drunken Master (1 and/or 2).
22. The 36th Chamber of Shaolin (1978) Chia-Liang Liu
awesome. I mean seriously one of the most important and fun training films ever.
23. Mr. Canton and Lady Rose (1989) Jackie Chan
I have seen this four times. I have wavered on putting on a top 50, but after last rewatch I do feel it has pacing issues. Still a fun and well made movie.
24. Disciples of Shaolin (1975) Chang Cheh
Good film, wasn't as memorable as others by Chang for me.
25. The Magic Blade (1976) Yuen Chor
Planning on doing a review for this one. After rewatching it, it still remains on my top 50!
26. The Duel (1971) Chang Cheh
What a blood bath here. I think Chang was in a grumpy mood when he made several films like this in the 1970s.
27. Kung Fu Hustle (2004) Stephen Chow
one of the most important Chow films because of how internationally popular it was. Fun film and is on my list as well.
28. Election (2005) Johnnie To
Great Johnnie To triad film
29. Infernal Affairs 2 (2003) Wai-keung Lau/Alan Mak
A rare example of a sequel being as good if not better than the original. Francis Ng has never been better
30. Butterfly Sword (1993) Michael Mak
I like this film so can't fault it here
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Posted 15 August 2011 - 04:03 PM

This is a repost with updated information. I'm going to remove the previous post on this subject. My Hong Kong viewing has slowed down a bit the past few months (do to 1930s watching and catching up on other genres), but will probably kick up again.

Hong Kong films I have seen since I did the list (I'll put coproductions though I will not count them the next list I do). This is more to help me when I partially redo the list later (not going to get it done this month because I want to purchase and watch a few important HK films before I modify my list). I plan on watching a couple of more and I will add here. Feel free to ask me about any movie listed here :).

RW: Rewatch; a movie I've seen two or more times.

Stoner (1974)
The Chinese Godfather (1974)
Amazons and Supermen (1975) Italy/Hong Kong
The One-Armed Swordsman (1967: Chang Cheh) RW
Skinny Tiger and Fatty Dragon (1990)
Exorcist Master (1993: Wu Ma)
Help!!! (2000: Johnnie To, Wai Ka-fai)
Hong Kong Godfather (1985)
Aces Go Places 5: The Terracotta Hit (1989)
Tokyo Raiders (2000: Jingle Ma)
The Kid With The Golden Arm (1979: Chang Cheh)
Return of the One-Armed Swordsman (1969: Chang Cheh)
2046 (2004: Wong Kar-wai)
Shinjuku Incident (2009: Derek Yee)
Beyond Hypothermia (1996)
The Warlords (2007: Peter Chan/Yip Wai-Man) Hong Kong/China
Gen-X Cops (1999: Benny Chan)
Shaolin Soccer (2001) RW
The Legend of the Drunken Master (1994) RW
Kung Fu Hustle (2004) RW
The 36th Chamber of Shaolin (1978) RW
Martial Club (1981) RW
Challenge of the Masters (1976) RW
Mr. Canton and Lady Rose (1989) RW
Police Story 2 (1988) RW
Games Gamblers Play (1974: Michael Hui)
Invincible Shaolin (1978: Chang Cheh)
Heroes of the East (1979) RW
Shaolin Prince (1982: Tang Chia)
The Return of the 5 Deadly Venoms (1978: Chang Cheh)
Eros (2004) Hong Kong/US/Italy
The Duel (1971: Chang Cheh)
Black Magic 2 (1976: Ho Meng-hua)
The Contract (1978: Michael Hui)
The 8 Diagram Pole Fighter (1984: Lau Kar-leung)
Center Stage (1992: Stanley Kwan)
The Odd One Dies (1997: Patrick Yau Tat-chi)
God of Gamblers (1989: Wong Jing)
Soul of the Sword (1978: Hua Shan)
All Men Are Brothers (1975: Chang Cheh/Wu Ma)
Disciples of the 36th Chamber (1985: Lau Kar-leung)
Shaolin Mantis (1978: Lau Kar-leung)
Long Arm of the Law (1984: Johnny Mak)
All For The Winner (1990: Jeffrey Lau, Corey Yuen)
Wushu (2008: Antony Szeto) China/Hong Kong
Fantasy Mystery Force (1982: Chu Yen-ping) Taiwan/Hong Kong
Supercop 2 (1993) aka Project S
The New Legend of Shaolin (1994: Wong Jing) aka Legend of the Red Dragon
Meltdown (1995: Wong Jing) aka High Risk
Vengeance (2009: Johnnie To)
The Jade Tiger (1977: Chor Yuen)
King of Comedy (1999: Stephen Chow/Lee Lik-chi)
Shaolin Rescuers (1979: Chang Cheh)
My Schoolmate The Barbarian (2001: Wong Jing, Chung Siu-hung)
Laughing Times (1980: John Woo)
The Bastard Swordsman (1983: Tony Liu Jun-Guk)
Return of the Bastard Swordsman (1984: Tony Liu Jun-Guk)
97 Aces Go Places (1997: Chin Kar-lok)
Web of Death (1976: Chor Yuen)
Legend of the Black Scorpion (2006: Feng Xiaogang) Hong Kong/China aka The Banquet
A Hero Never Dies (1998: Johnnie To) Hong Kong
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Heroes Among Heroes (1993: Yuen Woo-ping/Chan Chin-chung)
The Magic Blade (1976: Chor Yuen) RW (did review added link to first page)
Legend of the Fist: The Return of Chen Zhen (2010: Andrew Lau Wai-keung) Hong Kong/China
The Enigmatic Case (1980: Johnnie To)
Kung Fu Zombie (1982: Hua Yi-jung)
Ip Man 2 (2010: Wilson Yip)
Bodyguards and Assassins (2009: Teddy Chan) Hong Kong/China
The Lady Hermit (1971: Ho Meng-hua)
Little Big Soldier (2010: Ding Sheng) Hong Kong/China
Martial Arts of Shaolin (1986: Lau Kar-leung) Hong Kong/China
Beast Cops (1998: Gordon Chan/Dante Lam)
Wu Yen (2001: Johnnie To, Wai Ka-fai)
The Storm Riders (1998: Andrew Lau Wai-keung)
True Legend (2010: Yuen Woo-ping) China/Hong Kong
Executioner From Shaolin (1977: Lau Kar-leung)
Mad Monkey Kung Fu (1979: Lau Kar-leung)
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Golden Swallow (1968: Chang Cheh) Hong Kong
Magic Story (1987: Lau Bing-gei) aka Corpse Master Hong Kong
Blood Brothers (1973: Chang Cheh) Hong Kong
The Avenging Eagle (1978: Sun Chung) Hong Kong
Inner Senses (2002: Law Chi-leung) Hong Kong
Killer Clan (1976: Chor Yuen) Hong Kong
Seeding of a Ghost (1983: Yeung Kuen) Hong Kong
The God of Cookery (1996: Stephen Chow/Lee Lik-chi) Hong Kong
Shaolin (2011: Benny Chan) China/Hong Kong **½/**** (coproduction so would not count on my list anyways)
The Sword of Swords (1968: Cheng Kang) Hong Kong
The Supreme Swordsman (1983: Keith Lee Baak-ling) Hong Kong
The Duel (2000: Andrew Lau Wai-keung) Hong Kong
C’est La View, Mon Cheri (1993: Derek Yee Tung-sing)

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1-16, 18, 19, 20, 21(2nd), 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51(1st & 2nd), 52, 52, 53, 53, 55, 56, 57, 58, 61, 62, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86. 87, 88, 90, 91, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 103, 105, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 121, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 133, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140, 141, 143, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150, 151(1st), 157, 158, 159, 160, 161, 164, 165, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175, 177, 180, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 190, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 201, 202, 204, 205, 206, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 213, 214, 216, 217, 218, 219, 220, 221, 222, 224, 226, 227, 231, 232, 233, 234, 235, 237, 239, 239, 240, 241, 242, 243, 244, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 260, 263, 266, 267, 268, 271, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 280, 281, 282, 283, 284, 285, 286, 288, 289, 290, 291, 292, 293, 294, 297, 298, 300(2D), 301, 302, 304, 305, 306, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325, 326, 327, 328, 329, 330, 331, 332, 335, 336, 338, 339, 340, 341, 342, 343, 344, 345, 346, 347, 348, 349, 351, 352, 353, 354, 357, 358, 359, 362, 363, 364, 365, 366, 367, 368, 369, 370, 371, 372, 373, 374, 375, 376, 378, 379, 380, 383, 385, 386, 387, 388, 391, 392, 393, 394, 395, 396, 397, 398, 399, 402, 404, 405, 408, 409, 410, 412, 413, 414, 415, 416, 417, 418, 419, 420, 421, 422, 424, 425, 427, 428, 429, 430, 431, 432, 433, 434, 435, 437, 439, 441, 445, 446, 447, 448, 451, 453, 455, 456, 457, 459, 460, 461, 462, 465, 470, 475, 476, 478, 481, 482, 487, 490, 497, 498, 499, 500, 501, 503, 505, 512, 524, 525, 526, 528, 529, 530, 531, 539, 540, 543, 556, 565, 572, 578, 579, 580, 586, 596, 650, 664, 677

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 03:55 PM

Bump. Added three at the bottom (God of Gamblers, Mad Detective, The 8 Diagram Pole Fighter) all three I think you should watch and some small modifications.

Here's a few more that may or may not be on my next list (not sure when I'll get to reordering so I'll keep some duplicate info here):

??) Center Stage (1992: Stanley Kwan): AKA Actress. Jonathan Rosenbaum considers this the best movie he has seen out of Hong Kong. It is my favorite film from Stanley Kwan even over Rouge (1988). Maggie Cheung is extraordinary as she portrays Ruan Ling-yu , the most famous Chinese silent movie actress (partially because of this film) whose life was consistently under pressure from the newspapers and her relationships. Beautiful cinematography from Poon Hang-sang and the multilayered cinematic and docu-dramatic approach makes this one of the best biographies ever made. This is a film to have someone watch who thinks Hong Kong cinema is only Wong Kar-wai and action films.

??) Police Story Part II (1988, Jackie Chan): In my mind the most underrated of the series. Yes, the first film is my favorite Hong Kong movie, but Supercop (aka Police Story III) seems to get more fans than this one most likely due to some of the melodramatic overtones (I do like Supercop). Benny Lai as the explosive expert who happens to be deaf is quite good in this and makes an excellent baddie. The playground fight scene is one of Jackie’s finest. And the amount of explosives used would make John Woo take notice. Jackie would continue to hurt himself (jumping through real glass) and his costars (Maggie having her head hit by a falling metal object causing her to have to be doubled in some of the last scenes; several burn wounds to many of the stunt personal) and what more do we want to see with our favorite stars.

??) The Return of the 5 Deadly Venoms (1978: Chang Cheh): AKA Crippled Avengers. Not a sequel to the 5 Deadly Venoms, but uses the mentioned Venom actors (a great explanation on what a Venom’s film is mentioned here: http://changcheh.0ca...om/ven-film.htm). This film is gory, a bit exploitative, but completely fun in its mayhem. The plot is a variation of the standard revenge theme. A local lord who went loco after his son lost his hands and he lost his wife becomes so vengeful that anyone who says a word against them gets maimed often in a unique way. Several of these handi-capable people bandy together and learn to use their disabilities to their advantage to, of course, exact revenge. This is a must watch for any martial arts fan.

??) The Odd One Dies (1997: Patrick Yau Tat-chi): Johnnie To also did a lot of direction on this film on this film as well. I love misanthropic loners and add a bit of good luck to the mix and you get a quirky black comedy that sometimes feels like a Wong Kar-wai film (especially in Takeshi Kaneshiro’s character Mo), sometimes feels like a Johnnie To film but ultimately it is just a strange fun film. It is easy to see it as an allegory for the upcoming handover to China, but you can see it as a parable of Hong Kong youth as well. But the biggest lesson learned from this movie is what not to do when someone tries to stab you.

??) Police Story Part III: Supercop (1992: Stanley Tong Gwai-lai): The first three Police Story films are must watches for action fans. Here we have Michele Yeoh join Jackie as a PRC officer whose skills as a consummate action star are shown quite well. She gets to show off not only her fighting skills but also her stunts where in one scene she jumps a motorcycle onto a moving train. But don't forget Jackie. He has an awesome scene where he hangs onto a helicopter, though he also gets knocked out by a helicopter as well. With explosions, dangerous stunts, great fighting, what more can you want? OK Maggie Cheung should have had a bigger role.



??) God of Gamblers (1989: Wong Jing): A Wong Jing film on a top HK movie list – blasphemy. Well with the plentiful output by this director there is bound to be one or two films that will be liked by even the most ardent critic (that might be pushing it). This very popular film helped promote (with Casino Raiders which came earlier in 1989) several years of gambling genre films, a multitude of related and unrelated sequels and many knockoffs. Chow Yun-fat is excellent as Ko Chun a chocolate addicted gambling God who is accidently rendered childlike by a blow to the head though his gambling gifts are intact and are to be exploited by Andy Lau’s Knife. This is a must watch for fans of HK cinema.

??) Mad Detective (2007: Johnnie To, Wai Kai-fai): I mean seriously how many Johnnie To films can I put on a HK list? As long as he keeps making films like this for Hong Kong (I was a little disappointed with his later Vengeance) I will consider Hong Kong one of the best centers of cinematic crime dramas. Lau Ching-wan’s as Bun the multiple-personality seeing and possibly insane detective is excellent and one of the best HK performances I have seen. The cinematography and direction are just as good with influences from past To films like The Longest Nite as well as Orson Welles The Lady From Shanghai.

??) The 8 Diagram Pole Fighter (1984: Lau Kar-leung) aka Invincible Pole Fighter : While the film is associated with the death of Alexander Fu Sheng, who died in a car crash while this was being made, that lead to a more melancholic atmosphere, this movie is still one of the premiere “old school” martial art films. There is unevenness in tone and plot because of this and Lau’s doleful mood is prevalent in the latter part of the movie, but from a martial arts standpoint this movie is awesome and among the best from the Shaw Brothers. The staff work by Gordon Liu is exquisite, teeth rattling and somewhat disturbing.
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My Criterion Collection (408; I Own and Have Watched):
1-16, 18, 19, 20, 21(2nd), 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51(1st & 2nd), 52, 52, 53, 53, 55, 56, 57, 58, 61, 62, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86. 87, 88, 90, 91, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 103, 105, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 121, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 133, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140, 141, 143, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150, 151(1st), 157, 158, 159, 160, 161, 164, 165, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175, 177, 180, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 190, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 201, 202, 204, 205, 206, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 213, 214, 216, 217, 218, 219, 220, 221, 222, 224, 226, 227, 231, 232, 233, 234, 235, 237, 239, 239, 240, 241, 242, 243, 244, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 260, 263, 266, 267, 268, 271, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 280, 281, 282, 283, 284, 285, 286, 288, 289, 290, 291, 292, 293, 294, 297, 298, 300(2D), 301, 302, 304, 305, 306, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325, 326, 327, 328, 329, 330, 331, 332, 335, 336, 338, 339, 340, 341, 342, 343, 344, 345, 346, 347, 348, 349, 351, 352, 353, 354, 357, 358, 359, 362, 363, 364, 365, 366, 367, 368, 369, 370, 371, 372, 373, 374, 375, 376, 378, 379, 380, 383, 385, 386, 387, 388, 391, 392, 393, 394, 395, 396, 397, 398, 399, 402, 404, 405, 408, 409, 410, 412, 413, 414, 415, 416, 417, 418, 419, 420, 421, 422, 424, 425, 427, 428, 429, 430, 431, 432, 433, 434, 435, 437, 439, 441, 445, 446, 447, 448, 451, 453, 455, 456, 457, 459, 460, 461, 462, 465, 470, 475, 476, 478, 481, 482, 487, 490, 497, 498, 499, 500, 501, 503, 505, 512, 524, 525, 526, 528, 529, 530, 531, 539, 540, 543, 556, 565, 572, 578, 579, 580, 586, 596, 650, 664, 677

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 01:02 PM

It's been awhile since I've seen a HK film I thought might be in my top 50. What I've seen since I last posted here (and several of these are possibly top 100, but most likely not top 50; I really liked Golden Swallow, The God of Cookery, Inner Senses and The Supreme Swordsman):

Golden Swallow (1968: Chang Cheh) Hong Kong
Magic Story (1987: Lau Bing-gei) aka Corpse Master Hong Kong
Blood Brothers (1973: Chang Cheh) Hong Kong
The Avenging Eagle (1978: Sun Chung) Hong Kong
Inner Senses (2002: Law Chi-leung) Hong Kong
Killer Clan (1976: Chor Yuen) Hong Kong
Seeding of a Ghost (1983: Yeung Kuen) Hong Kong
The God of Cookery (1996: Stephen Chow/Lee Lik-chi) Hong Kong
Shaolin (2011: Benny Chan) China/Hong Kong **½/**** (coproduction so would not count on my list anyways)
The Sword of Swords (1968: Cheng Kang) Hong Kong
The Supreme Swordsman (1983: Keith Lee Baak-ling) Hong Kong
The Duel (2000: Andrew Lau Wai-keung) Hong Kong

However, this is a film I've wanted to watch for a few years. This is a romantic comedy/drama a genre I haven't seen too much in HK film (though they are made, I just haven't seen as many as I should and they tend not to be as popular outside of HK). It was very popular in HK when it was released, winning a ton of HK Film awards. Plus it still remains critically popular being number 62 in a Hong Kong Film Awards top 100 list of films.

??) C’est La View, Mon Cheri (1993: Derek Yee Tung-sing): A moving tale of a curmudgeon musician (Lau Ching-wan in one of his first break-out roles) whose difficult nature him often gets the best of him and has caused him to be ostracized in his field and pushed his girlfriend (Carina Lau) to break-up with him. This is until he is won over by a perky street performer Min (Anita Yuen in one of the most charming roles I have seen; up there with Faye Wong’s role in Chungking Express) who inhabits the tenement building he has rented. Her pert nature has been helmed by previous bouts with leukemia in her youth. While the last act of the film is predictable, the performances are brilliant, funny and touching. This was a winner of several HK Film Awards including Best Picture, Best Director and Best Actress.

Has anyone else seen this?

On a side note: anyone interested in me possibly doing a top 100? I know that sounds crazy and it wouldn't be anytime soon, I'm just thinking for future writing (plus I keep adding capsule reviews). I, of course, have to redo the top 50 There will not be too many changes (though Flashpoint will no longer be in my top 50 :D), I think that is why I've been putting it off, plus I always have more HK films I want to see.
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My Criterion Collection (408; I Own and Have Watched):
1-16, 18, 19, 20, 21(2nd), 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51(1st & 2nd), 52, 52, 53, 53, 55, 56, 57, 58, 61, 62, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86. 87, 88, 90, 91, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 103, 105, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 121, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 133, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140, 141, 143, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150, 151(1st), 157, 158, 159, 160, 161, 164, 165, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175, 177, 180, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 190, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 201, 202, 204, 205, 206, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 213, 214, 216, 217, 218, 219, 220, 221, 222, 224, 226, 227, 231, 232, 233, 234, 235, 237, 239, 239, 240, 241, 242, 243, 244, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 260, 263, 266, 267, 268, 271, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 280, 281, 282, 283, 284, 285, 286, 288, 289, 290, 291, 292, 293, 294, 297, 298, 300(2D), 301, 302, 304, 305, 306, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325, 326, 327, 328, 329, 330, 331, 332, 335, 336, 338, 339, 340, 341, 342, 343, 344, 345, 346, 347, 348, 349, 351, 352, 353, 354, 357, 358, 359, 362, 363, 364, 365, 366, 367, 368, 369, 370, 371, 372, 373, 374, 375, 376, 378, 379, 380, 383, 385, 386, 387, 388, 391, 392, 393, 394, 395, 396, 397, 398, 399, 402, 404, 405, 408, 409, 410, 412, 413, 414, 415, 416, 417, 418, 419, 420, 421, 422, 424, 425, 427, 428, 429, 430, 431, 432, 433, 434, 435, 437, 439, 441, 445, 446, 447, 448, 451, 453, 455, 456, 457, 459, 460, 461, 462, 465, 470, 475, 476, 478, 481, 482, 487, 490, 497, 498, 499, 500, 501, 503, 505, 512, 524, 525, 526, 528, 529, 530, 531, 539, 540, 543, 556, 565, 572, 578, 579, 580, 586, 596, 650, 664, 677

Previous Editions: 2,
Eclipse: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12, 13, 15, 16, 23, 26, 33

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