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#61 Izo

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 09:36 PM

I really can't argue with you, Sexy. Especially as you lay it out, the actual plot of The Dark Knight Rises doesn't make a whole lot of logical sense, and it does lack the ingenuity of the first film. I will say, though, that it didn't bother me in the slightest. Perhaps that makes me a dumb moviegoer, but I think that Nolan's interests weren't in the logical aspects of the plot in this case.

As for your final point, the opening wasn't meant to be anything other than a fantastic set piece and a great intro for Bane. Plot-wise, I'd forgotten its purpose until you just reminded me, but I didn't forget the image
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 10:31 PM

What do you think were Nolan's interests then?

I think why I'm so hard on Nolan is not totally his fault. I think the way people respond and talk about how smart his movies are compared to other summer blockbusters or whatever is probably my real source of frustration with his work and I feel like his movies are designed for that type of response. I remember listening to a podcast about Inception once and one of the guys saying he liked it because it made him feel smart, even if he wasn't sure if the movie itself was smart. I could get behind an opinion like that or yours. I just think the way that people act like you don't have to overlook things or "turn your brain off" to enjoy a Nolan movie like you do, say, a Michael Bay or an Adam Sandler movie is dumb as hell.
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:03 PM

Well, I think that with any Nolan film the more you try and analyze the plot the more you'll find that they aren't necessarily sound and they do tend to be full of logic gaps and unanswered questions. And this is coming from someone who enjoys his puzzle-movies immensely. Where I think Nolan tends to excel in this series is in finding interesting ways to explore our perceptions of the Batman characters, and this includes Alfred and the villains and even Gotham. I think Nolan wants us to compare the films to Tim Burton's and the Adam West series and even the comic books, and the noir-tinged grittiness of the films kind of accentuates the differences to the other adaptations. Granted, I think he does by making what I think are intensely enjoyable and entertaining films that touch upon (but rarely truly develop, it must be said) a number of very interestin, timely, and intelligent themes.

I feel like that paragraph probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense, honestly, but I'm very tired and it's likely the best I can do at the moment. However,I think that turning your brain off and enjoying the explosions is doing Nolan and his films a disservice. I certainly don't look at him as a sort of Michael Bay-type director. He's certainly making as much (or more) money than Bay, but I do find Nolan's films to be uncommonly thought-provoking for massive-budget blockbusters. Ultimately, though, I can't quite lump myself in with the superfan camp because I can certainly acknowledge that the vast majority of the complaints that people bring up with Nolan's films are completely legitimate, but at the same time I think that a lot of people who hammer these points into the ground (Jim Emerson, for example) are kind of missing the point. But I do feel that Nolan is going to be considered a great director if he keeps making movies the way he has been.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 10:50 PM

^ I think I'm pretty much in line with Izo's last few sentences there. I don't see Nolan as a supremely gifted filmmaker on par with the best and brightest currently working but I do see him as having a knack for entertaining the masses while offering up plenty to chew on and be entertained by when necessary. The fact that he's been able to do this over and over impresses me. His cult of superfans is indeed off-putting but one could say the same about the Andersons or Fincher and so on.

I love what Nolan did with Batman and I'd defend those pictures, to a point, with great passion. He seems handicapped by a lack of visual talent, but perhaps that's part of why he's, to this point, such a model of good mainstream filmmaking. Perhaps he also needs a different cinematographer.

Among Nolan's pictures, I didn't care for elements of The Prestige and found Insomnia largely unnecessary given the superior original. Still love Memento, though, and was encouraged by Inception. I always sort of think that if you're complaining about a director like Nolan then you're picking the wrong battles.

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 12:58 AM

I always sort of think that if you're complaining about a director like Nolan then you're picking the wrong battles.


Oh, I like this point, and I really agree with it since most people can, at the very least, agree that Nolan is an interesting director. Something like that is rare enough in a sea of indistinguishable filmmakers.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 06:38 PM

What are the right battles to pick, then?

I don't mind if you guys find his recent films entertaining, even if I don't. I'm just confused about what's thought provoking about them. I just see a bunch of wishy-washy ideas presented with about as much cinematic flair as a PowerPoint presentation.

Concerning Nolan's handling of the Batman mythos, I think he was most successful in, you guessed it, Begins. It might be because I don't care for two of the most acclaimed stories about this portion of Batman's career, Batman: Year One(bland) and The Long Halloween(outright bad), but I think the changes he made were smart and cut through a lot of the muck that you'd have to wade through if you were gonna make a more "comic canon" movie. Tying the main antagonist to Batman's training allowed that portion of that film to act as set up for developing Batman's style of combat and the later threat of Ra's al Ghul. While Lazarus Pits are distinctly absent, the omission is completely understandable because it'd be pretty hard to get a mainstream audience to get behind them, especially in the way that Nolan was approaching the Batman series. And in Begins, Gotham seems much more of a character than the subsequent films. Arkham Asylum makes an appearance. We actually get a hard long look at the corruption and rot of Gotham itself. The city's personality might be because of special effects and whatnot as well, but I feel like the city is much more distinct here than the later films. It also plays upon the fact that it's a Batman movie more than the other films.

The Joker in The Dark Knight is fine. The Joker as a character has always been the most malleable villain to a creator's whims since the shift in personality could be attributed to his insanity.
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With Rises, I feel like you could replace Batman with Jack Ryan or James Bond and you'd end up with practically the same film.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:00 PM

Nolan vs. Nolan by David Bordwell (8/19/2012)
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 12:20 PM

Nolan vs. Nolan by David Bordwell (8/19/2012)


An interesting essay from Jim Emerson who is somewhat swayed by the arguments made in the above link by David Bordwell.

Films on fire: Tony Scott and Christopher Nolan

" Both have been subjected to that worst of all critical insults, comparisons to Michael Bay"
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:27 PM

Christopher Nolan’s Top 10 Criterions from this month's newsletter.

Well number 10 isn't since it is Greed.
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Posted 26 June 2013 - 11:41 AM

Christopher Nolan's "Interstellar" Adds Casey Affleck

This is Nolan's next project, most likely out next year. I'll certainly watch it when it comes out. I was kind of hoping for a neo-noir film, but we got sci-fi here (which I'm fine with).

It will not be filmed by Wally Pfister who will be busy directing his own film (I do hope the action scenes might be filmed a bit better).
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